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heartfire — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:09:24 -0000

Thank You JVo! I appreciate you!
Yes, I will be coming---not sure when --yet at some point I do need to venture out of my apartment. I will enjoy seeing you again and meeting people at Westwinds. I always function better when I am in a church---perhaps that is why He told us to remain in fellowship--lol.
Peace
See you soon, Lois

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torybee — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:33:00 -0000

I'm NorCal and I have relatives in Folsom. It is so pretty there!

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shameonyoko — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:26:53 -0000

Lois,

You're awesome. You have a very sensitive spirit. I already forgave you long ago when you got right back to me and expressed your hurts and sorrow. I don't think anything weird towards you. Lay it down. All is well.

Are you going to come visit us anytime soon? We are in a series on sex right now. Our next series is about the theology of some Christmas carols.

Would love to see you. Peace.

John

Or, as my friends all call me and you are welcome to call me, JVo

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shameonyoko — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:26:13 -0000

You are one of my favorite people.

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shameonyoko — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:25:40 -0000

Rich, do you love me? Feed my sheep.

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shameonyoko — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:24:42 -0000

and I, you.

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shameonyoko — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:24:16 -0000

I miss NorCal often. I am from Folsom.

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heartfire — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:15:31 -0000

I read your ‘Rant and Prayer’ yesterday and since then have been prayerfully searching my heart because I know that at times I have behaved in a combative manner towards pastors and church leaders in general. Although the reasons for my behavior are multiple and complex, they all lead to the same conclusion: that is, that my unforgiveness continues to spill out hurting innocent people such as yourself, and alienating the very people that might be able to love me. I don’t know when ‘open season on pastors’ was declared but it needs to end, and those of us Christians who have participated in it need to stop it now while we have time to do so.

Lord Jesus please bring me to a deeper place of forgiveness. Remind me Father of all that you have forgiven, humble me Lord so that I can see that my trials are nothing compared to the sacrifices that you made. I love you Lord Jesus, and I submit myself to your authority. “Create in me a clean heart, and renew a right spirit within me.”

John, you are one of the most authentic people I have met in many years; I love your brutal honesty. I read your blog regularly because of your incredible honesty, you don’t talk Christianeese and you dare to be different. I mean wow---you even separate God from our election process. You truly are a lover John; I know that because you have shown such kindness to me. Thank you for being a faithful servant, even when it is so very difficult. John, will you please forgive me?

Lois Jones----Jesus lover

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danp — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:55:07 -0000

I am seriously praying for you... can't tell you how many times I've been brutalized by Christians in general, stabbed in the back by well-known church members and dragged into my pastor's office to answer to accusations by people who got the ear of a man who can't stand to confront idiocy.

You are bigger than the "stuff" that comes your way. Remember who's sayin' what... keep it in perspective and then if necessary kick me in the teeth and give grace to the ignorant... Lord knows, mine have been kicked in enough to no longer feel the pain.

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Rich Kirkpatrick — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:18:21 -0000

Uhmm.... love it. Only because in a small way I feel your pain. I am done, too. However, I pray I do not let these people color how I view the sheep they have polluted with the ingrown idea. Maybe some have hope? Maybe, not.

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chadjarnagin — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:43:38 -0000

I heart you.

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torybee — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 17:36:38 -0000

Funny, if some of my friends ever read your blog they'd cringe that I have anything in common with you! (no offense, and it is probably true, we do share much in common underneath it all)
Do you ever miss California? Norcal or Socal?

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shameonyoko — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 14:00:47 -0000

Thanks, man.

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shameonyoko — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 14:00:30 -0000

Well, it sounds like we have a lot in common. Yeah, I'm not one for labels either but I have more in common with emerging/emergent leaders than I do with mainstream denominations for sure.

Thanks for your comment.

P.S. I'm from California too. I've only been a midwesterner for 4+ years.

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shameonyoko — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 13:54:58 -0000

Ha ha. You know the kinds of things that piss me off, man. I don't see you doing any of those. Funny guy.

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shameonyoko — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 13:54:09 -0000

You're a good man and a great encourager, Tim Maynard.

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shameonyoko — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 13:53:36 -0000

Giddeeup.

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shameonyoko — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 13:48:54 -0000

I understand, Geoff. You want to feel valued and encouraged. It's not that you can't take criticism--we can all use people in our life to speak truth into us. But, we need those people to be be people we trust and are in relationship with. There needs to be mutual permission. So, be persistent and passionate in serving Jesus and stay sharp by surrounding yourself with people whom you love and trust. Peace.

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shameonyoko — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:53:04 -0000

Thanks, my friend. Maybe one day we will see each other again, eh?

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inworship — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:32:10 -0000

Excellent rant. And a great reminder.

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torybee — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 18:56:42 -0000

I am probably not the typical reader of your blog. I read it because you have a lot of great things to say and I like the fresh approach. Plus, it all seems pretty biblical.
I have a great interest in emerging church and I love seeing it lived out. I love the creativity, the conversation, the meeting of needs and going out of the church to "be Jesus" to people.
But a lot of people are scared of the "emerging church" label. I'd consider my church "emerging' but I bet 80% of the people who attend it don't even know what that label is and probably would speak out against it without even realizing that we are living it out!
I love being communal and missional; When I speak to others about my church (which is not yours, btw... I'm in CA) and what we do and the leader's vision and heart they all applaud, that is Just what Jesus would have done! But they don't really want to do it. It is easier to get together with other like minded Christ followers and enjoy a good service and lots of upbeat cool songs than to go out in the community and DO something.

think your post made me mentally go through and examine my life. Am I whiny? Am I pissy? Am I ingrown, lackluster, boring, backwards?
Am I reaching out and being Jesus or just complaining?
All good things to contemplate.

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TimMaynard — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:56:28 -0000

Thanks for not kicking my teeth in! Not too many months ago I made my first comment on this blog and let's just say it was less than edifying. I really appreciate your patience with me, and your willingness to be so transparent about your frustrations.

All those things you ask God to be at the start of this post, you've been to Becky and I as our pastor, so ya, praise God for answered prayer, and thanks for valuing yourself enough to guard your time and energy. We love you dude.

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Paul J. — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:56:51 -0000

Dear God, please don't let me ever do anything to piss JVo off. Amen.
;-)
Good post.

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davey — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:56:32 -0000

Rock On!

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Jeff M. Miller — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:46:11 -0000

Thanks. I feel this down to my bones. Know that you're not alone.